What Future Fighting Styles Would U Like To See In The VF Series

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That hurts both of us. I mean your contradicting yourself, saying that BJJ isn't a good style or that the Gracies suck and that I was stupid to agree with you.

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Well if you can't see that his opinions are personality induced so the speak...

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Which BJJ Practicioner did Fedor Emilianenko KTFO? He couldn't finish Nogueira. Regardless, Fedor is a boxer/wrestler/sambo hybrid who trains MMA.

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Nog's face looked like a pinata after that fight and it's a miracle he didn't get knocked out - you're insane if you judge Fedors style in that fight as anything else but GnP aswell as you're insane if you don't think grapplers get knocked out (Newton,.. even Sakuraba lost against crappy Schembri). BJJ practioners don't even train with punches during their training as it's not a part of their art for your reference.

 

Cloud: DOnt let kain get to you, hes just a troll.
I PMed him awhile ago for the proof that BBJ is the best martial art and the only one that works his reallife. Still no responce /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

THough sadly i am noticing a few trolls on these boards.

 

Cloud don't sweat it I wasn't trying to rip into you, I just hate the goddamn Gracies and enjoy taking jabs at them.

To the other guy with the Brad AV, you mentioned Fedor and I'm trying to figure out why. Which BJJ practicioner did he KTFO? I'm aware that BJJ purists don't train boxing but you're a madman if you don't think modern day MMA fighters don't cross train JJ, boxing, thai boxing, and wrestling - because ALL of them do.

Anyway my original point was that fantasy styles like Mantis, Drunken Kung Fu, TKD, and all that other stuff doesn't actually work outside of Jackie Chan movies.

 

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Horsepool said:

DOnt let kain get to you, hes just a troll.
I PMed him awhile ago for the proof that BBJ is the best martial art and the only one that works his reallife. Still no responce /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif


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I didn't say BJJ was the best martial art.

Go to www.mcdojo.com

 

You see crop Cop kill the mexican wrestler in Bushido: Pride?
ehhehehe...Those high kicks...at least he didn't get hit as bad as Igor.

Yeah...Mirko CropCop...I should be awake when I post
Hrmm..anyways...the gracies are not boring, they just are not effective strikers...even Renzo. I can't wait for Cutour to start fighting in Pride /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

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Kain said:Anyway my original point was that fantasy styles like Mantis, Drunken Kung Fu, TKD, and all that other stuff doesn't actually work outside of Jackie Chan movies.

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Since when was TKD as obscure as mantis and drunken kung-fu? There are TKD schools all over where I live. Its effective too (though not so much as muay thai).

 

You weren't talking MMA fighters, you were saying that BJJ and Muay Thai is "the only thing that works" (and had a library of proof according to yourself that has yet to be shown).
If you can't argue out from that basis anything I say is useless and you shouldn't make that statement in the first place - if I mention Cro Cop you'll go like "well, that doesn't count cause he trains everything".

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Which BJJ practicioner did he KTFO?

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You're woozy. The point is that if a BJJ practioner doesn't train against punches, how can he defend against them? There's a hella difference between trying to control someones wrist while being punched in the face irl and not. Or is this the part where you change your statement to MMA? BJJ is not MMA. Thai boxing isn't MMA either (when was the last time you saw an elbow to the head or a Thaiboxer have it as his gameplan to push someone up against a wall on the floor to get a better angle for GnP?). MMA have rules which pretty much govern benifits to a certain kind of fighting (as the gloves make it easier to controll the wrists of the opponent to not as easy to get cuts and KO'd and etc).

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but you're a madman if you don't think modern day MMA fighters don't cross train JJ, boxing, thai boxing, and wrestling - because ALL of them do.

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That is absolutely pointless and nobody's arguing against it so I fail to see your point exept that it was some kind of statement. But you didn't mention wrestling or boxing as a working art in your starting statement now did you?

But traditional BJJ is, once again, not MMA (look at the breakup from Carson Gracie with Mario Sperry which then went on to form the Brazilian Top Team due to differences in opion).
In BJJ you train totally different ground fighting theories (I've sparred and trained with people from both) and in MMA / Shootfighting directed style of training the theory is that you have two positions when you have someone in your gaurd, either holding his neck and arm and holding him against you to avoid being punched hard or you're trying to escape - rest is BS. If you want to get out of someones good gaurd you punch your way out. BJJ allows air between the two cause they're searching to apply locks etc. I have no doubt that a WTF Taekwondo (they do train full contact) practioner has a chance irl aswell as a Karateka that trains contact aswell unlike you. Police and military aswell as historic war reference of fighting is on my side that these martial arts HAS to have a working point to them - we are yet to see your "proof" but I take it, from what I've read, is from you collection of Pride events on your harddrive and what the announcer says / being a fan boy.

A standing art like even Wing Tsun has in fact - probably a bigger chance then a BJJ practioner irl. Irl you virtually never face just one opponent - the rule is do damage, fast, and then get the fuck away. If you think you can choke a guy out while having his back (or in the eyes of his friends, kill him) while everybody just stands on watching or search for a kimura against a guy with a knife in his pocket you need to rethink your way of fighting for your own survivals sake. You'll get stomped to hell and/or worse. And, sorry if I've said this before, but there are alot of psycological aspects aswell. What do you think is the mentality amongst a gang searching for you if you have choked out (almost killed) or popped someones shoulder when they find you compared to you just KO'd a guy? Don't think they'll stop cause your downed in their retaliation.
I hope I'm done talking to you now and yes - you seem like a Troll. You can't have it both ways; either you're saying that those two arts are the only ones that work irl or you're saying something other. The point that your trying to change it all into a "being well rounded is best" sort of deal while still keeping your original statement the best you can and not thinking an art as Krav Maga works irl is above me.

 

You do need to know how to ground fight in a real fight, because if you do happen to get taken down, even if there are other people there stomping on you, you have to have some idea of wtf you are doing.If your talking about a real fight, at least in D.C, your talking about guns and knives.

 

TRUE THAT TRUE THAT.

 

Why yes you do. But the point was that bjj and muay thai (try to have a thai clinch and throw knees that way) isn't = MMA which in turn isn't = Irl.
I don't know what ghetto you're from but in my world guns and knives aren't garanteed in a fight (but should be considered a possibility). And if they were I'd recommend training something like Krav Maga (which wasn't on his list) instead of your Taekwondo.
This discussion about martial arts that work irl and so on is 'tarded and not what this thread was about so I'll stfu up (which I should've done a while ago) now.

Peace out.

 

Since we're talking about Martial Arts that work well in the real world, how about we start to consider boxing then. I know, but before I get my head ripped, hear this out first. Every one talking about guns and knives being pulled out and your most likely to be jumped in a street fight. But when I saw the hallway video of Iron Mike beating up what 3 or 4 dudes at once (I mean he not only beat them down, he chased one into the other room and finished the job) my opinion of boxing and the real world changed. Plus, Tyson was alone and unarmed (no bodyguards), I think he was drunk, they we're gang members, and they had weapons. I think one had a knive and when he started to take it out, Tyson went crazy. Witness saw they verbally threatened him too. I wish I had a link to it, try to find it if you haven't seen it.

There is always stories in the States about boxers getting picked on in a bar and them dropping a couple of dudes, but that was the first time I ever saw it. Hey, whatever styles fits your skills. Soon we're going to see a top boxer in MMA, I know it. With Tyson and Botha signing with the K1, I bet there will be a wave of top boxers that get blacked balled out of the WBO and have to make their careers into something else. Then well see how well a boxer does after training for MMA.

 

Well, right now I goto school and live in washington D.C. ALL this being said, I know enough not to go wandering around anacostia/S.E at night. That is the first part of self defense. I generally agree about Krav-Maga, though there are almost no instructors. My old tkd instructor taught close combat to marines in vietnam, so I would think he knows a thing or two about dealing with an armed assailent. Remember, TKD was a martial art first then became a martial sport.

 

About fighting styles being useful in real life.....

All fighting styles are useful if you are a master in them, that's because all styles have thier own st of counters, blocks, punches and kicks.

if it's not useful, your not good enough in it

 

Shit, no wonder I got beat up last night at the bar. /versus/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

Hmm... so BJJ and Muay Thai always work in the real world? If you did both it would be a formidable combination. However, most of the BJJ I've seen has been very take-down to armbar / leghold / etc. submission style... that wouldn't work very well in the "real world" if we're talking about gang fights as the real world. One of my former best friends is in this huge gang in Mexico, and one day about five guys tried to jump him (they were armed with bike chains, some small switchblades and crap) as we walked home from school. He happens to use TKD and crane (not the stupid Lei crane where he stands up on one leg, the true crane style which is more counterbalance at 60 degrees from the opponents center line - similar to White Brow - for quick, hard blows to the vital areas combined with elaborate looking but very effective throwing / grappling) and it seems to work just fine. As for Praying mantis, that's a tough one to justify, since it requires enormous leg strength (much like Hakkyouken - I forget the Chinese name) and flexibility that often discourages many modern would-be disciples but each style always has weaknesses ( traditional TKD is too slow for close range and is traditionally limited at anywhere from half to a step away from the opponent, which is why they now incorporate moves and principles from hapkido, aikido, and even tai chi - My friend's TKD teacher happens to be a tai chi master as well). Muay Thai is an excellent hard hitting style, but most practioners have trouble with "pulling" styles such as Tai chi or wing chun, since they tend to be very close and are also well versed in standing grappling. So it comes down to knowing a lot of styles (maybe not you knowing enough to use it, but at least know a lot about how it works).

So in the end, it's not about which styles are better than all the others, since they're all good as long as the practicitioner is well-versed in the principles and applications and is physically quite capable as well as cognizant of the environmental obstructions to his or her particular styles (i.e. TKD cannot easily be used in narrow alleyways, as cannot many ground grappling styles).

As for the original topic: BJJ would be cool, caporeira's already been done, but would be nice too. I still think a boxer character, while nice, would be difficult to implement (and honestly, most boxers are NOT Tyson) and finally, wing chun / tsun would be a nice addition still, but will probably not be in the game soon, if ever. Finally, that krak... something, would be a nice style to see... isn't it that "bodyguard" style from one of the SE Asian countries (sorry, not too familiar... read about it a long time ago).

 

i think we need styles that rely more on brute strength then speed or defense the 2 people only really like that are wolf and jeffrey and taka if he was still in the series and goh too sort of

 

i think tai jitsu would be cool to

 

I agree with what senoB said. BJJ is a good one on one fighting style, but in a situation where there are multiple assailiants this form of mrtial art will fail.