What Have You Learned? / How Have You Progressed?

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WHAT!!!!! Get the Fuck outta here.. I've played you at NYG7 and you were shitty.. You beat me one match because SC4 was in heavy rotation and i wasted to much time on it instead of VF that my timing and everything was shot. If that was you being serious then i feel sorry for you Air Jacky.. Jhow with all due respect cut that shit out bro. He ain't the only player who can beat a japanese player. I may not be able to fuck with top star players head to head evenly but they can lose to any of us if we play our game and have fun. Chief Flash beat Fuudo a couple in china and it gave all of us confidence that we are not that far off. It shows that if we live in the same waters they did we will level up accordingly. Don't feed me this bullshit about you only want to play Japanese comp like you that official. If you want to do rank matches all you have to do is say so... I waste just as much time as you doing dumb shit playing around in our matches. When FS drops (I pray heavy.) We can do rank matches all day and i still prove to your washed up. VF3 was 15 years ago and you still living off that fame? FOH!!! I undertstand your thirst to get better through comp but don't try to dis any of the Best US VF5 players you haven't beat up on like you tear them out the frame on every occasion.

I had trouble against Jhow's shun and i beat myself up on why i kept losing until i figured what i did so wrong and what he did'nt do. thats when Something somebody said stuck to me. I love VF to death but i doubt you are that good where you can only play against japanese players to learn. FOH!!

Online or offline i believe can destroy a Mid-Level japanese opponent in VF5. Top tier players im not ready for in FS cause i never played it.

Air Jacky.. What would you do if you reach, Liberator or conquerer? would you still play ranked? Ask Denkai or Yosuke how that feels to be stuck in the negative zone with no way out.

 

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Well i see that you play SC4 at a VF gathering we know where your priority were. LOL gosh i dont even remember you at NYG7 i think there is a video of me kicking your ass on youtube some where enjoy the show and last time i played at my best you pulled LOL and it was rank i understand you have to protect your 80% win ratio lol well again i hope people see that we have a system for competition in rank.

LOL I am not dis the best players i am dis on player match did you read the post and if it was towards players, the best DONT PLAY VF anyways lol.
i guess you take me post a bit seriously heheh Too funny.

 

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When we played rank my buttons was'nt set and yes i did pull. There is a video of you kicking my ass along with plenty others.. But even the best lose... Too bad people know wassup between us. But look here VF3TB champ when you decide to get serious.. Im waiting... You and i know whats going on.

 

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Uh AirJacky, were you playing badly on purpose when you fought me? I'm not sure, but it didn't seem like you were that amazing of a player, and I started avoiding you most of the time because the matches weren't very interesting. What do you expect if you play badly on purpose? Do you think the other person should just assume you're better at the game than you appear to be for no reason? Look, I don't want to sound too insulting here, as it has been a long time since we last fought, and I'm not positive that you were actually trying to lose at the time, but just keep something in mind. And this goes for everyone else on VF5 online as well. If you play badly on purpose, lose, and the other person doesn't notice, you haven't won any kind of moral victory. No, you've won nothing. You either play the game to the best of your ability, or you don't play it at all. Anything less is disrespectful to the person you're playing against. If the lag is minor and you can't win, it doesn't matter if you think the other person is playing the game wrong. They still beat you, they would probably be able to beat you offline too, and they are by definition the better player. If the lag is minor and you always win, you have nothing to prove by playing like a douche, and doing so will probably only confuse the other player and lead to further development of bad habits.

I do agree with your stance on ranked though. I recall I used to have much more intense matches on ranked than on player match. The problem is, there are just too few players online to sustain the ranked ecosystem anymore, so what can you do?

Anyway, if you want to play some intense matches, we could do a first to 10 sometime, and I'd be more than willing to go all out and try and destroy you.

 

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Damn maybe I shouldn't have made that post... really you guys need to stop taking cheap pot shots at each other because you all have some valid points.

If Air Jacky really does play the way JHow described then all I can say is I understand. He is doing what he feels he has to do to make the time that he invest in VF fun. Is it right for someone of his skill level to play in such an insulting way? I honestly don't care and neither should any of you. If he sucks then just beat what ever he is doing and prove to him he sucks. If what he is doing bothers you that much then don't play him. That's how I treat Darthminion! If he joins the game I'm hosting like he did 2 days ago. I don't even waste my time on him. I put up a little fight to get through the 3 rounds and then I leave. If I win I win, if I lose then I lose... don't give a shit! To me he is not worth the time and it's not even because I think he sucks, because he is actually not a bad player. It's simply his attitude that sucks imo.

The reason I say I can understand what Boyd is doing is because I kind of play VF this way right now when I play against certain people. I kind of handicap myself to make it fun. No offense but it's very easy to win against some players because most of them don't have strong basic skills. And like JHow said, mastering the basics in VF is not an easy thing. While my basics are good they are not as good as Denkai's, Lucky's, Myke, Slide or the infamous Yosuke. So when I play against these guys let's just say, it aint fucking easy to win. Because in the end when all the fluff and super setups is done, it's whomever had the strongest basic skill for 3 rounds will be standing at the end of the match.

While player match is fun, I always thought ranking match was better. You definitely do play harder, cheaper, more disgraceful than ever (which I think is fucking great) because something is on the line. What was so amazing about ranking was that you always hard to expect the unexpected. Player match = auto pilot and canned setups.

Ranking > Player once you get past the I don't give a fuck about my percentage thing. I bet if you could hide win / lose ratio no one would be in player match.

I really think you guys should stop bashing each other and start helping each other. While I may say some fucked up shit on these boards, I'm always willing to help someone out if I can. If you had a session with someone and you have advice you think can make them improve which in turn makes you improve then you should help them. Send them a PM and keep it private. There is no need to put people on blast all the time. Bashing each other like this is not good and will only make the community smaller.

 

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No really, no one does ranked because it's always empty. I could sit on there an hour and not get challenged. And even if I did, in all probability the person who challenged me wouldn't be at the right level for the match to affect my rank anyway.

And yea, you can say all you want to excuse yourself, but not honestly playing your best is always lame, no matter how you try to justify it. You know personally, I'm one of the rare people that doesn't mind losing. I really like it when someone can keep me from winning a match for a while, because otherwise the game is just boring. I mean, who wants to play a game they can't ever lose? When I am fighting someone with the ability to beat me, and they choose not to, it frustrates me and makes me not want to play them anymore. Or at the very least, it leads me to attempt to beat them with lame tactics out of spite. And more importantly, it robs me of the opportunity to learn from a better player and improve my game.

You know, I only had the opportunity to face Yohsuke once online. I was still relatively new to the game at the time, and not very good. We played something like 30 matches before I finally beat him. And in all of our matches, despite my obvious lack of knowledge of the game, he never did anything but play to the best of his ability. Even after 30 matches, he still had the patience to fight me, and didn't quit until I had the chance to really push myself to my limits. That is what a true VF pro does. If you want other players to respect you, you must respect them first. If you can't do that, you shouldn't play them at all.

 

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To keep player matches more intense, I always assumed that I had to get a 10-win streak on my opponent. If I couldn't do that, even though I might've won a lot of games, I lost the match.

That way, as soon as you rack up a couple of wins, you really don't wanna give away a match, cos you'd have to start all over again! So the matches actually get a little more intense as you win more.

When your opponent is a little too strong for 10 wins, then you can bring your goal down to 5 (cos you want that special victory music, right? ). But as soon as you reach 5 wins once, bring the target back up to 10.

And if 5's too high, you're playing someone that's either equally skilled, or simply a better player, so the matches should always be fun! If not, you're doing something wrong!

The downside to this, though, is that it's time-consuming! Losing a match at 8 and having to start over again, argh!
It also doesn't work against players that are just not close to your level.

 

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I like this. I also notice that when there is a 9 on top my screen, the current fight is almost always INTENSE. Doesn't matter who has the 9, either.

 

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That's why i've always GGd when you reached 7 wins Krye

Seriously though seeing that "10" is very disheartening. Double digits. Against strong players i sometimes quit earlier: as much as i appreciate learning through getting my ass handed down on me, there's a limit.

Now, quitting at 9 is too obvious. Quitting at 8, eh, might still upset somebody. Quitting at 7, i can always retort that i didn't know we were playing for keeps.

Now if a strong player rejoins even after i've gracefully GGd at 7, my goal basically becomes "break their win streak before it reaches 10".

It's a very sad moment when they finally GG and the counter's up to 15 or 20 ...

 

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I just like to play. If there was a rematch option on ranked and people actually playing ranked I would play there. I don't care about how many wins or losses I have in total. I care about the match I'm playing at the moment. I like to feel like I'm fighting properly but occasionally I like to dick about as well.

I don't have any tricks for trying to make myself feel like something is on the line, that some matches mean more than others.

When the round starts I'll be looking to win. If my opponent is doing the same then it will be a good match no matter the outcome. I understand that people might need more motivation to play better but I don't.

The handful of matches I had offline when I played down in London were no less intense than the sessions I've had in player matches.

I think some people use that mentality as a crutch "Oh, it's just a player match, just online I'm not playing seriously." Balls, you're just looking for an excuse.

Online, I can understand to some degree. Matches can be stupidly laggy and both people can generally agree on when lag has fucked someone over. But to say you're not trying to win because a little bar, number or word on your screen isn't telling you that you're shit is bollocks.


We're about due another "top ten players list" for each region. Bring that shit back for bragging rights. Even if we are playing a player match, fuck you, I'm the daddy 'round here.

 

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Nice!!!! Believe it on not some of my goal are to set streaks against certain opponents..

 

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Everyone loses matches, nobody is immune. Sandbagging or whatever can always happen because there are always other factors and problems people have going on in their lives that's pulling them around, and playing the game is an attempted release from that.

It takes a beating and some show of strength, to awaken somebody's inner gameplay, and shake of the rust. Often times you can streak somebody and never even see it.

I gotta admit, I sometimes try my hardest to make the game look fun to someone that isn't very good at the game, because I feel really bad at times, about where I've discouraged players from ever coming back because the game looked daunting or even boring(if you are outclassed to the fullest or being outclassed. It's going to look and feel bad to one of the players, especially if they care enough about their own strength or possibility of strength in the game). There's people that I tried to help and introduce the game to, and they would just flat out quit and never play the game anymore. I'm still trying to win every single time, just by other roads I don't usually travel to see if I'm capable(then that road gets cleared and is now a fully usable path).

Also I got to be honest, if I'm beating someone pretty badly in a streak, I don't even feel accomplished or fulfilled in the matches at all, unless I had to work my ass off in every match(then I'll keep bringing the rematches no matter what) even if it was a 3-0 match(everyone loses 3-0 sometimes anyway). I just stop playing. I never ever feel right about exploiting my opponent, it's just smoke and mirrors, and isn't even a show of strength. You think you better than somebody, cause you can streak somebody that doesn't even know how to at least somewhat battle your character? Doesn't mean a thing. Go ahead anyone(no one in particular), pick Lei Fei, exploit me and beat me 10 straight - I still don't know how to battle the dude, but I like battling him cause I do slowly figure certain things out.

As for ranked matches, of course it's fun or was fun. But even in it's heyday, some of you guys in this very thread would avoid certain players or never even host up the game. Or some people, including a couple of people in this thread(you know who you are), would only join games when someone picked a character they know they could beat or vs a player they know they could beat because of their character they themselves are using.

People padding their rank stats by never hosting, and only playing against players or characters they know they can defeat instead of stepping up to the challenge is mad hilarious.

 

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Well, I knew it was inevitable that some people would be pissed. While I don't agree 100% with Air Jacky's methods I do understand his point. This is a game that we all take very seriously and unfortunately the nature of player match doesn't necessarily promote the best experience. In terms of wanting high-level play, I still question how someone doesn't know when they are not being given the best from their opponent. In this aspect alone it indicates that some people just don't understand, or if they do understand, shame on them for just wanting a win, and an easy one at that.

I understand what you're saying Kamais and you're half right. While there isn't much room to learn from this playstyle, it is convincing Air Jacky and fortifying his belief that he is tired of playing people that simply don't improve, or at least care about quality of matches. While it may not be entirely right, and unfortunately can't be helped because of lack of players online, it is somewhat evident of his hatred toward what player match has become. I'm not complaining simply because it's really all we have left, but there can still be room to dream. If he or anyone has no desire to play player match anymore, he's simply resorting to playing the only thing he can play, and playing in a way that makes it fun for him again. Once again I'm not saying this is entirely right, but everyone has the choice of playing him or not playing him.

Also Kamais and SDS, let's quit all this talk about VF3TB. I only brought it up because, Kamais, you said he was the weakest Jacky you've ever seen, when that it so far from the truth. It was just one example I thought of at the time.

Again I think we are missing the point. I don't think anyone is that arrogant to claim what you mentioned above, SDS. But it is true that the majority is on a whole different level. Something to testify to this is the fact that even extremely mediocre Japanese players (ones that a lot of us on VFDC can beat or even destroy) still have better basic skills than a HUGE majority of us fellow VFDC'ers. It's really intriguing to me as to why the basics are so fundamental to them. Like I mentioned before, I can tell if I'm playing a Japanese player almost instantly. As intriguing as it is, I don't think it's any surprise that it is because of arcades and an abundance of competition.

This is a very valid question and something I've pondered myself, but alas, chalk it up to pure boredom once and awhile and the discontent with the lack of quality matches. I am not saying at all that you do not provide a quality match, Xzyx987X, and you do deserve a great fight. In cases like this I really believe it is just the uninspiring atmosphere that player match sometimes brings. Everytime I bring up the difference between player and ranked I feel bad because I know there is no changing it at this point, but the absolute fact is that Air Jacky (or anyone) would have always given their best in rank. Because the obvious retort to this is, "too bad, rank is dead so give me your best in player or don't play," and that is totally a valid response.

So the only thing to do is not play him if you feel you're not getting his best. But therein lies Air Jacky's plight - he is waiting to be amazed that someone actually does quit after a few obvious rounds/matches of crap quality play. The sheer reason he keeps doing this, and this is the newfounded fun he has with the game, is that according to him an overwhelming amount of people seem to have absolutely no idea. Even to me this is rather amazing. He even showed me a message once from a known decent player where after over 20 matches of utter crappy play on Air Jacky's part, the person messaged him asking if he was trying? Really, did they have to ask? So, no, it might not be a moral victory, but it is maybe satisfying the dumbfounded curiosity, which at this point maybe any satisfaction is fun. By no means am I trying to make excuses for him. I guess people can either choose to not play him, or maybe even be fueled to kick his ass now, which I'm sure he would welcome.

I have some insight into this. The Japanese, God love them and I do too, are a very prideful people. It is highly likely that Yosuke thoroughly enjoyed kicking ass for 30 matches and might have even gone to 100 without missing a beat. So yes, he is a VF pro, but his motivation might differ from the norm, or at least from American mentality. Or also what I mean, differ from a non-Japanese versus a non-Japanese player, compared to Japanese versus a non-Japanese player. The truth is I like winning, and so do most people. But when you're slaughtering someone, or even a little less than slaughtering but still winning almost every match, it's inevitable that boredom will set in. Which is when almost everyone here is guilty of not playing their best! This again is somewhat player match's fault.

I 100% agree with this and always think about this as well when I'm playing! It's the only way that I can make player match fun anymore. I actually remember talking about this very recently to Air Jacky and he agreed that it was a good thing to consider. Yep, love that 5-win streak music, and even better, 10 and after! =)

This really explains perfectly what Air Jacky is doing. I think you said it very well. And while many here might question his methods, he is trying to make people realize what you said, Slide. Up until now, now that this has been aired, I think it was his fun little game that most people were in the dark, which amazed him and kept it fun. Still, everyone please don't misunderstand or misread what I'm saying. It's not necessarily that I condone this, but does it make me an ass that I understand it?

Unfortunately that was a huge problem with possibly no solution. It definitely was frustrating. How frustrating was it for me? I'll tell you...

Aside from his skill, there is one main reason why Denkai is Conquerer. If anyone knows me they know I am one of the most rank match advocates online. I was pretty much the only non-Japanese player left online that religiously played rank in hope of finding the rare person that was high enough to rank me up. At the time I was going back and forth from Assassin and Slayer. At one point I was one match away from Berserker which is one away from the best. I stalked the rank lobby almost every morning for over a freaking year in order to accomplish my rank. The reason I did this in the morning was because that was the best chance of finding Japanese players. I know some people preferred not to rank up this way because they felt that lag made it, I guess, an unofficial way of ranking up. Maybe, Denkai, you thought the same way since you could have also been doing this to get the highest rank. If you did feel this way, then I was one of the few and only people that could rank you up. I'm definitely not saying that I was the only person with skill capable of helping you, but no one else invested the time I did in improving my rank, and since no one was within two ranks lower than you, well, everyone knows how that works. So little by little we would fight, it would go back and forth, but you would eventually strip me of one rank. So then it was back to the drawing board trying to rank up again. I think I went through about 3 cycles of this which took over half a year, and ultimately you became Conqueror. I've said it before but God Damn, Congratulations and Well Deserved!

In closing, aside from whatever people are thinking about Air Jacky, one thing is for sure, it's awesome that there is this much talk and debate going on again here at VFDC!

 

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I know that he ranked up off of you but when did he learn by that? Im not here to put you down or anything but he was a big fish in a small pond. Seriously rank would be much better if we can get battle with over 40 different people with high ranks.

 

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When FS drops, find me on ranked. Can not wait. Need to improve skills under pressure.

 

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Come on SDS. I spent two hours on my longest post of all time with what I thought had many valid and interesting points, and the only comment was of something at the very end of my post which I didn't even really understand the question? I wasn't talking about Denkai's rank-up for any kind of pat-on-the-back gratification. It was aimed more toward the entire scope of my, probably way too long post.

 

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I bet if you add up all the people from different states and time zones that are currently playing you'd get about 40 players. Why don't everyone who has a friend that's currently playing ask them to make the switch from Player to Ranking? There's nothing stopping us but ourselves.

Sounds like a solution to me?

In the end it just won't happening because I'll say it again, there is this little box that shows up before each match that shows opponents a person's record and until this can be hidden players will not stick around because displaying anything under 70% I bet maybe 65% will make people stop playing. Pride is a mother fucker sometime....

 

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^This

And ranked battles probably won't happen as often as it used to unless FS comes to consoles.

 

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I understand what you are saying and i think its bullshit how many of these VFDC'er have ranks and are scared to put it on the line. We are beating a dead horse and i went over this with you plenty of times. I remember i reached hunter with 195 wins and i wanted to go high so bad but then it all ended out of nowhere. My life in anything competitively has been pressure packed so playing rank games won't affect my performance at all.I don't need a rank to make we want to play harder. Just the raw though of somebody trying to run up a streak on me get me ready(Along with beating the shit out of certain people.) I've seen it first hand the number of dudes with nice ranks that when i ask them to switch over they don't want to and it had me saying "You don't even deserve that rank!". I wish we could get VFfs to end all of this bullshit but it don't seem like it will happen. I've been settling for playing player matches just for the sake of getting a match period anyway i can in VF. My competitive nature still burns so i would love to see a day where everybody is on rank.. whether 10th kyu or 1st dan i still gets busy. All i can do is hope.

 

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This thread definitely turned into a rank versus player debate which wasn't my original intention but I'm happy to discuss it nonetheless because it is a burning passion of mine.

I couldn't agree with you moree, SDS. Konjou is right too. There are/were wayyyy too many people that cared wayyyyy to much about their rank, and even shitty rank at that. I always used to say, WTF is the point of even protecting a rank if you're not gonna put it on the line?!

And then there were the percentage assholes. It was so funny to see someone with over 80% wins but their rank was crap. They were fooling no one but themselves.