Who is the best Brad player?

Funny, I just ask one question and I got answer I didn't want. (I don't say that I don't read them, I just wanted to know who is the best Brad player).
I thank you guys again. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

With more powerful throws for Brad, Ryadus would destroy me!!! /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif Im glad they´re as weak as they are.

 

Myke: Your'e right about the catch throw I didn't test it properley and hammering or immediately does make it very difficult to escape.

Ryadus: Sometimes a thread does go off on another route but there's been some very interesting discussion on a characters strenghts and weakness's which outside of the VFDC ranking thread I don't often see. As a bonus you get a couple of really good Brad matches /versus/images/graemlins/cool.gif .

 

The two Brad clips where awesome.

 

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"True" low attacks are essential when your opponent is spamming attacks like Akira's or Lau's upkn. I dont think its a bonus, its essential IMO.

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Ducking ? Crouch dash ?

 

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alucard said:

I've come to the conclusion that Brad is simply a weakling compared to the other characters, after reading other players' opinions(mainly Japanese)...


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Dude, it's time to stfu. You are beginning to make the forum nazi and ass-9 look good.

 

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ice-9 said:

Ducking ? Crouch dash ?

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Too bad his uppercut is mid. Unless you are thinking of scoring an mC(instead of MC) with it, there is no guarantee that the uppercut will beat high attacks all the time.

The same thing for ducking P. Brad is not immuned to high attacks during the whole of the ducking motion. If you attack just as your opponent's attack goes into hit collision, you "might" lose. True low attacks will always beat non-special high attacks, thats the diff.

 

You're all saying that Brad has weak throws. Well, I don't know if that's true. Brad's + throw is powerful and tricky. And throw + is also med-powerful so I like his throws and their damage is just right /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

 

i don't see the commotion about brad's throws as apposed to someone like pai with a similar problem, her two most damaging is 60 (and there' s like a 10 dmg gap inbetween the rest).. the ones which give you a guarenteed scizzors kick only reach into the 50s (without it, it's leik 15 odd, stummble trip which does'nt guarentee is 10!!!!!!), without the damage potential of her back throw, pai has a pretty weak ass throw game too..

one of the things i see brad is good at is making the opponent choose wisely what to do next. You are never safe staying in defend.

 

to answer the thread's topic:
in my opinion Ohsu or Myke are the best Brad players
those matches were "EXCELLENT"

 

Well, I hated not being able to contribute to this interesting discussion (aside from the, "I don't know much either, but at the very least..." so I messed around with Brad a bit and this is what I came up with:

He is NOT as offensive of a character I thought he is. Not like Lau at least, where Lau can theoretically attack attack if the player knows what moves to use and when. As Alucard lamented, Brad's stance-options are limited when the move leading to the stance is blocked. In that sense, Brad is different from Sarah.

Fortunately, Brad is in fact a pretty good defensive character! I base this primarily on his awesome countering ability. + is elbow class and should get you an easy 50 points. +,, middle kick class, is ridiculously good against mC crouching opponents and after dodging an attack. 60+ points easily.

When you think about it, Brad is already a solid character without his stances. Jacky-like elbow-kick, OK sidekick, fast knockdown move in +, high damage in and , a move that ducks low and floats on MC in , +, somewhat effective against high attacks, force crouch in +, decent string in , and circulars (below average, but at least he's got them). He's not the best throwing character, but he does have three directions, and his + is the best 40 point throw in the game.

Oh yeah, and my favorite: +. It's very long range, fast, and staggers on any hit. Yes, it is throw counterable (about -10, I'm guessing), but given the above I think it's a good trade off. This, buffered from a quick back dash, is my low punch beater.

And how could I nearly forget ? Floats on MC for high damage, UNCOUNTERABLE, reasonably quick, and you have the option of swaying afterwards. Phew.

Basically, without any stance movement Brad is a playable and competitive character. Not the best in anything and with few moves, but he has the basics of everything in the moves that he does have. Now, layer in his stances:

Slipping right - uncounterable, really fast, 60-70 points combo on any hit.
Slipping right - uncounterable, middle, 65 points combo on MC.
Slipping left - uncounterable, middle, 50+ points combo on any hit.
Slipping left - uncounterable, long-range, middle, +4 ADVANTAGE on block, and 74 points combo on MC.

Hotness!!

As for his ducking forward, is excellent against staggers (i.e. after elbow stagger), is elbow-class counterable but the second can be delayed for a force-nitaku, and it will float on MC. Ducking forward on MC gives you +7 and is, of course, uncounterable.

The point I'm trying to make is that if Brad has the advantage to go into stance and force guessing games, they are guessing games that are highly in his favor. Think high damage, low risk. True, he cannot incessantly go into stance and attack, but with the kind of stats above, it's no wonder AM2 makes it difficult for Brad to use them...otherwise it would just be incessant abuse.

Bottom line: Play Brad like you would any other character. Think basics, defense, and counter when you can. When you have advantage, that's when you start using stances and forcing Brad's high damage, low risk game.

 

Also sticking with the topic, Ohsu's Brad is very impressive. Myke imo is second. TIGHT videos Myke. I hope to see more casual matches that went down at Evo from you /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Think you can release that match with Ohsu with the inputs visible (I just want to see how Ohsu does that movement...it's crazy)?

On the debate that Brad is "weaker", I'm not really experienced enough to throw in mind-blowing technical evidence (only been a hardcore VFer for two years), but I can understand the complaint. Compared to some other characters, Brad's flowcharts lack depth, or can be halted by a low punch. Imo, the key is to avoid doing the same thing sub-consciously (like slipping after a ,, every single time).

Lack of low moves...I kinda understand, but it hasn't been a big drawback to me personally. The only downside I can think to that is that muay thai is infamous for leg kicks and they aren't very prevalent here, but I personally don't care too much about that.

Throw game is okay. If the catch were implemented better, I think there would be less of a debate in this area. It's too easy to get out of, and too easy to guess which attack is coming and guard it. Also, not being able to initiate it as a regular throw is a big drawback (my biggest complaint about Brad). If they gave the catch a throw command (one different from all the others to add another direction to escape), then his throw game would be great imo.

Of course Brad can use some improvement, but I really don't think he's "weak". Having a 70%+ Brad player out there is "inspiring" (even if there's just one or two that I know of). Honestly, if he were more popular I think that people wouldn't think he were so weak. With so many Akira/Jacky players out there, of course you're going to run into many that'll give you a headache. But if you see a Brad here and there, finding one that makes you see "Brad's a tight character" would be difficult. It is different, and a bit more difficult to succed with Brad, so I can understand the gripe. But the way I see it, I just got to patch up loopholes in my game to make him more effective.

Just my humble un-technical opinion /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.

Dang. Nice analysis Ice. Time to go back to the drawing boards.

 

kiwi

kiwi is the best brad player.

 

I'm not green inside. Honest.

I highly doubt it. Actually one of the most impressive (western) Brads I've seen that hasn't been mentioned yet is KonjouAkiras (shame you don't give more input man on Brad things).

Please don't resurrect 7 months old threads like this, even if it's just to be nice to me /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thanks though although my nick is KiwE, not KiwI. Got that nick from my friends in 5th grade following a silly dispute about how I hated to eat Kiwi fruits actually and loosing a bet playing handball (not "real" handball but on small courts we had next to the classrooms drawn with chalk - we used a tennisball and had insane skills. Hard to explain if you haven't seen / played it yourself). After that it sticked I guess.

/KiwE

 

Re: I'm not green inside. Honest.

sure. well, i just thought after seeing a few of the videos you posted that youre brad skills were quite impressive. ill bare in mind not to ressurect the thread again, sounds like a cool sport too.