Why fighting games suck

No offence masterpro, but your opinion on FPS games is about as fell founded as the original article's writer’s opinion on fighting games.

Unless you're fairly prolific in both, I think it's wiser to refrain from talking "expert level skills" in either, especially if you're trying to compare them.

 

Tengu, you're right I am a PS3 fanboy, no secret there.
You're partially right on FPS. I kind-a lump all shooters together in these type of discussions. I don't do FPS, but
I do 3rd person shooters, Metal Gear Online, Red guerilla Faction, Lost Planet 2, Socom, the club, Transformers war for Cybertron What I don't know is whether FPS require more/less/same skill set as 3rd person shooters because I don't do FPS. I'm assuming they are equal for my purposes. So you're right if we specifically limit the conversation to FPS I'm talking out of my ass, on the other hand if we can include 3rd person shooters that can have FPV then I have almost 10 years in with an average kill ratio between all games of about 3:1

I'm old enough to remember when Doom, Castle Wolfenstein etc were just being released, and everybody was playin the demos on PC's or pirating the full release to play on PCs. So I'm familiar with these games. I just prefer 3rd person to 1rst person shooters.

Its unfortunate that you don't recognize total recall as a skill. If you live long enough though, you will one day place a very high value on the ability to recall things from memory You should be old enough now to appreciate the value of
stamina but if you don't that's your personal business.

I agree with you counterhits requires skill, having a good spacing and timing game also requires skill (no disagreement there).

The video that sudden death posted is good, but I've seen expert tournaments using counterstrike and all girl teams that show even more skill than that. I'm not saying that FPS or shooters in general don't require skill.


If you play FPS and you play VF or Tekken, or SC etc and you truly believe that FPS require equal or more skill than a fighting game does, I can only conclude that you haven't and don't play intermediate to advanced players in fighting games.
Anyone that has played intermediate to advanced players has experienced the skill level i'm talking about.

Maybe we have different definitions for the word skill

Tengu, I don't think you really believe that FPS require the same or more skill, I'm assuming you just want to bust my chops
for fun (which is kewl) I ain't mad at chu. I just think
you're playin devil's advocate, and taking another position just for exercise.

I consider myself mediocre in 3rd person shooters. But I've seen and played against extremely skilled players and managed to have a few good games.

I know how much work I have to put in against extremely skilled players in 3rd person shooters versus the work I have to put in when I'm playing intermediate to advanced VF or Tekken. Shooters don't come close. If you're being honest with yourself, then I know you agree.

I do have a fanboy approach to consoles. I'm playstation only
from PSP to PS3 . I haven't experienced any other kind so fanboy I am.

On the other hand, I've been a hardcore gamer for years. I play RPGs (e.g. Yakuza, Way of the Samurai, Fallout, Final Fantasy), Racers (e.g. Grid, Need for Speed, ATV vs Mtx),
RTS (e.g. Kessen III), Fighters (MK, Tekken, VF, UFC2010, FNR4, SC), shooters(metal gear online, red guerilla faction, Transformers war for cybertron, the club, lost planet 1&2 online) and a bunch of other stuff you probably never heard of (check out my trophies on PS3) I have a pretty good idea which level of skill each genre requires to be considered good or competitive.

When I make the assertion that fighting games require more skill than FPS , its not a guess. Its my professional very informed opinion. I've evaluated both genres at the software level so I know which one puts the greatest burden on human ability.

If you really truly believe that FPS are harder and require more skill than fighting games, then you either haven't played any intermediate to advanced fighting game playeres or you are
a fighting game prodigy. Which is true

 

I'm not prolific in both, but I am proficient in both i.e. replacing FPS with 3rd person shooters and limiting fighters to 3D. I try hard to not talk about things that I don't know about. I have deep knowledge about many genres of video games, very deep knowledge. Actually, I can't afford to be wrong. There are some people who do know who I am offline and who watch what I say online. It would be personally costly to me offline, if I'm caught with incorrect positions online.

I have no idea whether this is the case for Tengu. I just know what my situation is. Usually if I make an assertion, I have a
a great deal of evidence in my pocket. I may not always be right, but its not because I don't have legitimate evidence and
a cogent argument.

 

I'd really like to see your documentation, because frankly I don't believe you at all. There are far too many variables to come to a definitive conclusion.

 

Not documentation my friend, game source code. Are you familiar with C and C++?

If you really are fluent enough with C/C++ to determine whether one piece of software requires more work from a user than another, I think I can arrange to get you some source code, from both kinds of games.

Now, Cuz, if you're not a programmer/software engineer, or really can't read C/C++ please don't waste my (or your) time.

 

I've seen a fair amount of code in my life, I'm more interested in how you reached a conclusion.

 

The showdown begins.

I wanna see some goddamned computer language mumbo jumbo or this thread is some bullshit.

MUMBO JUMBO MUTHERFUCKERS DO YOU SPEAK IT?

 

pulp fiction!!

 

*eating popcorn* This'll be a good show.

 

A huge move list does not = depth.

 

So any news on Final Showdown?

 

Master Po, just please stop talking about how you have validity in saying FPS games don't require skill cause you've coded in C++. It's embaressing and you really make yourself look like a fool.

Cuz for this all the way.

 

Some company should make a Fighting game /FPS hybrid to end all this animosity. FPS take skill, be it evasion skill, rat running through a maze skill, or camping in a corner to shoot someone in the back skill. Let's not forget my favorite, the pussy hiding under the staircase with a claymore rigged at the door skill. Plus online shooters are rife with cheaters that have no skill whatsover. Clans are just organized groups of cheaters. Its like organized crime. Instead of Racketeering, they use lag switches.
FPS take a modicrum of skill, some more than others. For instance the original Rainbow Six series was awesome and demanded exceptional skills. It invented survival mode, and one life was all you got per round, so it actually meant something. You had to be good. Nowadays, Rainbow Six follows the pussy Halo formula of regenerating health and respawning like a n00b. the only shooting games that follow the old Rainbow six doctorine that real men play are Modern Warefare 1 &2, and Socom (even thought it's a 3RD PS) .

I wouldn't say FPS take more skill than fighting games, not by a longshot. However, FPS can be more difficult than fighting games. In a fighting game, you are fighting one guy, mano y mano, shooting the fair one. In a FPS, you are likely one your own obstensibly, because you are on a team with 7 starngers , and its every man for himself, invariably
up against 8 unemployed losers who formed a clan and do nothing but play shooting games and drink Mountain Dew. You will no doubt find yourself in a situation where you have to fight 3 of these clan members (aka lag switchers) at a time, every time you run into them. They always run in packs. So it's kind of a stacked deck.

For anyone who says fighting games require no skill , you're really in the wrong forum, on the wrong site, about the wrong game. Seriously, debate epic fail. There are achives of thousands of posts and videos here that prove you wrong.

 

Please stop the madness!!!!!!!!

 

This is actually Marly Jay talking to me when we play VF. "So Hazz, what went wrong?" "Well Marly I did not believe in myself on a subconscious level whilst attempting to read you" "HAHA! Yes! That is rather foolish."

 

Best post in this thread.