WHY??? I DO NOT understand!!!!!!

Black Dragon why do you do you always bang on about how VF needs to apply to a more casual market. just enjoy the game, I dont think VF needs to try and sell itself. you already had that FAT discussion with LM_ about this.

I understand what your trying to say really, but your acting like VF is struggling and needs to be saved. I say you just get used to the fact that VF isnt as flashy as other 3D fighters and move on.

 

Sometimes it's good if a game does not have a huge community. It minimizes the chance of having too much Hontos for example.

 

Seidon:
Yes, it's hard to balance 50 characters. But don't you get the distinct impression that with some games they didn't even try to balance it at all? DoA4 is a prime example, half the characters do more damage with faster moves than the other half... Tekken 4? Need I add anything to that title? Some KoF's, MvC2 and ST also very heavily favour certain characters and you needn't be an expert to see who they are.

Advertising:
I think it's pretty hard for any of the people on this board to judge how an advertising campaign for a VF game went as we're on the lookout for the adds. You'd have to ask the man on the street if they've heard of it.

 

Also if all the flashy stuff draws casual players in, what's stopping them going "allow this" and going off to play DOA/Tekken once they realise how deep VF is.

I mean like you said they're casual players, and VF is a game for more die hard fighting game players.

I know I would prefer a smaller community of dedicated players than a large community of scrubs.

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Sorry if any of this has been said before in this tread I didnt really recap much.

edit: Im not sure I even know what this tread is about lol

 

I was listening to the first Killarmy album just thinking, "you would never hear an album like this these days, they don't make rap like this anymore..."

It's true, a lot of things have been dumbed down. There's more people out there than ever who think it's cool to be dumb and nerdy to be smart. Pretty sad...

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I do think it'll be a long time before another console fighter on 360 dethrones VF5 as the best... VF5 has too many things going for it that only a truly seminal game could out do. The depth and balance combined with good online game play is tough combo to beat. I don't think SC4 is going to come close...

People might think that SC4's graphics are flashy or the game's characters look cool, but I just doubt it will really be as good as VF5 is on XBOX360.

THE ONLY SOULCALIBUR IV REVIEW I COULD FIND:[/size]

DMC4, MGS4 and GTA IV received some rave and excellent reviews from every corner in the gaming world. SoulCalibur IV, to the relief of the series' fans, is following those footsteps as well. Some eye popping graphics bundled with a deep variety of gameplay styles and an extremely appealing modification mode make SoulCalibur IV one of, if not the, best game in the glamorous series so far.

^Looks like a rave...^

 

Wow didn't think many people listened to Killarmy let alone knew who they were. Man, I was listening to them and Wu Tang all throughout high school. I have all of their albums I think (the last one I bought was Fear, Love & War).

Anyway, it really is sad that many things have been dumbed down. It's the mob mentality really. Well you know what they say, ignorance is bliss.

 

From what I've seen, ignorance must be bliss. Shit, I'm not that happy...

It must be nice to be so fucking dumb you don't give a shit about what you do. Makes life much less complicated. Like when you see someone telling their 2-year-old baby they're gonna beat their ass, I can only believe (well... only WANT to believe) they just don't know any better.

 

Tekken 5 also had alot of problems as well and Tekken 6 is just as bad. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sick.gif

 

Guys, what you're failing to throw into the equation is that VF IS A BUSINESS.
At the end of the day, the bottom line is making money.
I could commend Sega/AM2 for sticking to their guns for so long but the thing is even though they've lost money here in the states they've been making money in Japan.
NOW Tekken has actually become a threat to VF. This was not so much the case before. So, guess what? Sega has to adapt and overcome. It can't just let the opposition pick them off like sitting ducks.

If Sega sees a lot of players flocking to Tekken and leaving VF don't think for a minute that Sega is just going to sit back and let Tekken steal VF's fanbase. They're going to try to compete and if that means going against everything that is VF then so be it. Because at the end of the day, VF is a business.

All of these Tekken-like/half-life combos that we keep seeing and characters having big moves that take a lot of life but are kinda safe anyway are just things that AM2 has added in order to compete and stay in the race.

A lot of people (including myself) thought that VF would never sell out. That VF was never going to have skimpy outfits on their female characters or all of the flash and half-life (or more) combos of other fighting games. It was believed that VF would always be balanced unlike other fighters.
Well, prepare for a shocker: if AM2 knew for sure that it would make more money by emulating Tekken/DOA it would do it in a heartbeat. The only thing holding them back is that it's a big gamble.
On one side of the coin, they lose their current fanbase and no new players flock to the new and "improved" VF.
On the other side of the coin, some (maybe most) current VF fans leave but hordes of new fans flock to the new and "improved" VF and it becomes the most profitable in the series.
It's only going to get worst from here if most Japanese players keep flocking to these mindless beat-em-ups.

Money is what dictates where the series is headed. When money talks all businesses listen or die.

 

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

 

I believe you and agree, but am not connecting the dots about how that pertains to why VF doesn't do well in the US.

 

I see what you're saying here, but at the same time you're not really adding anything however I'm sure you do have something worthwhile to say.

Do you mind elaborating on what you probably thought was implied by your statement? Because as it stands you just stated a fact without saying how it pertains to the conversation at hand.

 

Yes.... I even Notice Sarah's Breast were movimg heavily than before in certain outfits. The Launchers/Pop-ups in VF5 gave it that Tekken feel to appeal to the flashy gamers.


@ Seven5Siuted - Ninja Warriors = American Gladiators.

To be on either one you had to be a Fit Motherfucker.So no Dice.


But Something i always noticed about Japanese people since i was little was they never did anything simple. They even have over exagerated movements and poses in real life. VF5 is a simple game believe it or not but it was made to be more technical than it is IMHO.

 

I'm sorry I couldn't resist the contradiction here. VF is simple yet it is made to be more technical than it is? that as a sentence just doesn't make any sense, you're saying it's simple but it was made technical? OR do you mean we as a community made it technical. However you can't make it technical if it didn't have the system to work with.

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I don't know maybe I need to stop reading this thread cuz it's started to turn into some redundancies and posts that aren't really saying anything. I'm starting to see why the longer you play the game the less you end up posting on the forums. . .

 

am i the only one who got this joke? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Dumbass fanboy video

 

Hahahahahaha! I got it right away, I posted this already in the Random Links thread. It never gets old for me. Check out the number of positive comments received by those who are clowning his ass. LOL.

 

I certainly did not get the joke, but, of course, now I want to know. Maybe I should click on that link but I don't want to right now.

Tricky, I agree but I also can't resist to jump into certain discussions. It's a sickness.

SDS, to further my original point, Ninja Warrior is 300x harder than American Gladiators, both old and new. And, look how poorly even AG is doing compared to reality TV elimination shows. I'm enormously pro-American, but I can acknowledge that the general mentality of the public here is going down the toilet.

VF=too much work for most people to "waste" the time on. My friends think I am nuts to play this game when they see the move list with all the frame info, etc.

Tony Fam., As usual I think you are a voice of reason.

 

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No im saying the players made it more technical than what it should be Tricky. Maybe you would not undertsand this yet but that how life is in certain areas. Soon you'll understand. I don't want to be preachy or anything because i know how people feel about this game so i'll just leave it at that.


@ Seven5Suited - Still the same difference because in each T.V. contenstants get months to prepare. Do you think anybody can just walk on he set and catch wreck? Last i check the did have a American Ninja Warrior and the contestents did pretty good.

 

SDS, we make VF more complicated than we should? I understand what you're saying bc I play chess too and the complexity of that game (which is waaaay older) is waaay more complicated than VF.
At the same time though, in chess there's only two things you can be: black or white. Choose to be on the offensive or defensive but at any time the roles can change.
In VF you got waaay more characters to choose from and learn but that been said, VF IS a lot simpler than a lot of us make it out to be BUT it can also more in depth than it might get credit for from someone who does not fully understand ALL of his/her options in different scenarios, nawmean?

I thought that's what you were trying to say earlier, that it's not too simple but it's not that difficult either.

Seven5suited, I just thought I'd remind people that Sega/AM2 is not loyal to their fans but to the money that their fans bring.
If a small fanbase is saying "Keep doing what you're doing, I like it" but the money isn't flowing, best believe that Sega will switch and go and either do what WILL make them money or just cut their losses and sell/quit the franchise.
It's that simple.
Root of all evil ftw!

 

Thats what im trying to say Tony. The only thing that make me feel this way is that i started from VF1 so the New addition was just little things extra i had to pickup along the way. If you approach the game with a open mind and take notes you can be decent in no time. If you have a Tekken Mentality and your not willing to change then you are not Mentally fit to understand the nature of the game.


I always Prefered VF over any other 3D fighter because it felt natural.I did'nt like Tekken because of the unnatural attacksmoves. I hated the fact the Kicks where made to look effortless and everything was just about the Pop-up.