Win/KO Ratio - What's yours?

I swear he hacks the game and makes his attacks all like 5 frames faster and 20 points more powerful.

 

lol I can't complain too much, for the past few months our connection has been less than stellar. But it ALWAYS benefits him. Gay ninja shit.

 

But then comes the scenario of somebody who wants to play against someone of similar skill. How would one find someone if a rank/win-lose ratio didn't exist? Not everyone can stand their ego bruised. Do they just hope that the next player is of similar experience?

 

my win/loss is crap. i try to play everyone but hopefully we dun lag! just hope to improve everyday! but it sure sucks to lose because of lag!! cant wait for my fibre connection to come 1st april!!!

 

TBH I prefer playing a low ranked player who is playing well than a damn high rank sand bag who is laying on cheap cherry picking stuff; spammy stuff; whatever...
But each lost you take is lost. Not by any scrubby things like that nor lag. You didn't managed the situation.

The rank is after all a question of interest... It's about of growing your e-penis or not... lol

 

e-penis!!! LOL!

 

If you keep losing, you shouldn't be promoted. Perhaps you should lose battle points. But demotion? rly?

Here's an example: I'm a Lei Fei player I'm better than many players and many players are better than me. But lets take another Lei Fei player like VF Numbers. He far better than me, and probably always will be (regardless to how much time I put in ) he puts in time too.

Now If I'm Warrior rank and happen to run into VFNumbers in ranked mode, I could fight him all day maybe with extreme luck ( or he's not really paying attention) I might pull off one or two wins. But ultimately I would keep getting demoted. If a far superior player demotes you does that mean you did not deserve you rank in the first place?

And I might fight him over and over again because there is no one else on at the time. We could play 20 straight matches he would probably win 19 out of 20. And I would be demoted all the way back to Hunter LOL. Does that mean I don't deserve my Warrior rank, even though I can smash most Hunters, Barbarians, Raiders, Defenders, etc. ?

Its like the classes in Single player I've done what it takes to get A3 class. I've achieved that class, how can you justify demoting back to to class B? LOL.

Once you're a black belt , you're a black belt. Now you can be world champion, and then lose that title (because there can only be one world champion), But you don't lose belts because you've lost fights against masters that are better than you.

Now, if you constantly lose to different ppl who are lower ranked than you, you should lose battle points (not rank), and it should be harder for you to get your next promotion.

But one of the biggest reasons ppl DC in Ranked is they don't want to lose their rank. I disagree with DC and I think ppl who do it are cowards, but if you couldn't get demoted I think less ppl would DC and more ppl would be willing to play higher ranked players in ranked. I know I would. The chance that some really high rank player could demote me, just guarantees that I won't play cats that are well beyond my rank in ranked mode. Of course I'll play anybody, anytime for as long as you want in non ranked mode.


You should get demoted for things like

D/C
using multiple accounts to boost your rank
using multiple accounts to help boost a friends rank
using technology to alter the connection in order to cheat etc.


You should never get demoted for losing to players in your same rank or higher.

 

Actually , Po , Sega agrees with you. Once you are a Black Belt , you are a black belt and can't be demoted for losing fights. Hence once you reach tenth Dan and Hunter, you can't be demoted past that. FYI tenth Dan is the highest belt rank in Karate. So in Final Showdown, you can't lose that belt. They let you keep your hunter rank as a Christmas gift. Any rank above hunter is a rank of high esteem and in order to keep them you need to keep you win ratio reasonably high.

Aside from the fact that online rank is absolutely worthless and holds no true value, you can regain your rank just as easily as you lost it. If you can't beat VF numbers then stop challenging him. Find some players you can beat and rank back up in less than an afternoon .


It's just a game, online fucking sucks anyway and you can't hit check some combos, hit throws have to be tele graphed, evades work only intermittently . It's harder to time fuzzy guards. If I were to base my opinion of FS based purely on online mode, I would say Final Showdown sucks and deserves a 6.5 meta critic rating. I would spend more energy arranging offline meetups and attending tournaments.

 

I love playing online, its the only time I get to play against someone. I rarely hear about offline competitions from where I'm from. Also, I can't tell the difference between online and offline play and VF5FS doesn't seem to be that strict on input timings unlike say KOF games. Maybe you've just happened to play people with a bad connection to you.

I think the whole snobbery towards online play is silly because without it, new players wouldn't have a place to play, you can't play people casually without organizing it, you can play after work without having to travel very far and you got a bigger pool of players to play against so online play actually increases the time you can spend playing the game.

 

Those that know don't need to be told, and those that don't know seldom listen. I'm not going to lecture you on the superiority of offline play, because its off topic and if your level of play is too low you wouldn't notice the difference.

I see you're from London , you should seek out Marley Jay and Ash Kaiser to get some offline matches. Not only will you find better quality play, they will make you a better player.

 

VF relies on exact frame knowledge and reacting to what just happened which online messes up to varying degrees.

For example, I block Jacky's 2P and gain +5. Now my 17 frame launcher (Goh 6K) will beat any move he tries to throw at me, so I do it. But there is lag and the Jacky player did 2P -> 2_3P without bothering to hit check. It only takes 4 frames (4/60 of a second) worth of delay and now instead of getting my ch knee I instead take a 100 damage combo for trying to play correctly while the other guy was just mindlessly attacking (or worse, deliberately abusing the lag). So next time I block his 2P I end up just 2Ping back to make sure I can actually land something in time. Commence 2P war! Not fun.

There's lots of instances where this stuff happens such as not being able to crouch highs in time (Jacky P+KK is now mid,mid. Welcome to lose), not being able to punish like you're supposed to (get fuzzied after guarding a launcher that leaves them at -15. Lol), not being able to evade some strings (it's Lei Fei time) etc and you just have to either suck it up or not play online. It is a factor though and the game is different (and worse) online.

 

Hmmm... I'm only like 8th Dan at the moment so I can't really comment on the nittygritty of the ranking system. But I think it's totally fair for someone to be demoted if they are failing to maintain. Otherwise someone could put in the time to train hard and win all the way to Stormlord and then spend the rest of his days drinking beer and eating pizza without even sniffing the dojo only to be a Stormlord forever. He would be higher ranking than dudes who are working hard to improve and can actually beat him easily. That's not right.

I do agree that people higher ranking than you should not be able to demote you. You shouldn't suffer a penalty for challenging high ranking players but if you are claiming to be some high ranking individual and you can't defeat those in the lower ranks then you must join them because you are at that level.

For me personally I'm making a concerted effort not to get caught up on ranking. I used to play Tekken online and was obsessed with rank and it was really stressful . Better to just play for enjoyment and relax without the temptation to try and game the system. As someone said above: every loss is a lesson, even the spammy ones. If I lose to someone spamming the same thing over and over I'm the one that feels embarrassed. They've given me ample opportunity to adapt and overcome their tactics so it's my own fault if I fail.

 

@Master Po Cut out that freaking wall of texts...shit. Cant even quote you because its so long lol. On another note Elite has a point. lt depends on the connections. When i fought exzety or genzen i punish stuff accordingly. lf its decent or worse i just adjust. Doesnt really affect me though. My style is so orthodox that players dont know what to do and just freeze up lol_

 

yea it all depends on the connection me and a fren from hongkong we are full bright green no problems at all. probably we are both in asia thats y

 

@IvorB you said:

" Otherwise someone could put in the time to train hard and win all the way to Stormlord and then spend the rest of his days drinking beer and eating pizza without even sniffing the dojo only to be a Stormlord forever"

Well someone could also put in the time, train hard and win all the way to Stormlord, and simply stop playing ranked matches and they would also retain Stormlord forever. Right?

I'm suggesting that we make it harder to rank up. For example you must beat 15-20 different ppl (different accounts/IP Addresses LOL) in the same rank group or higher in order to rank up). Also to be demoted your last 5 consecutive losses should be to (5 different ppl) of the same rank or lower rank and same license class or lower or no demotion.

All we should see online is your License Class, Your Rank, and BattlePoints, W/L ratios should be private and only available for the player himself to see .


@ Richkwondo I just posted a thread on License Classes/Ranks/ and Battle points and how to make them work (or actually mean something) at least I think I have a solution:

http://virtuafighter.com/threads/vf5fs-class-system-ranks-battle-points-how-to-make-them-work.17851/

 

I just don't like people saying its completely useless because it lets people like me play whenever I want to. Plus playing the same people over and over again can get very boring.

I've just not had many problems playing online...

@Elite thanks for the example.

 

CheekyChi, Richkwondo is correct. If you've never had it, you tend not to miss it! LOL

you admit there's not many local players where you're at, so you don't really have big experience playing offline, and since VF has the best fighting code online you don't really see a problem. And you're right in a way also. If most of the ppl you play have never played off line and all they know is on-line then hooray no harm no foul.

But as your skills improve and you play against more advanced players the inevitable will become apparent.

 

My rank (Assassin) reflects my VF skills: I have enough experiance to be an Assassin, but I'm not good enough to get promoted, as I hold that rank for six months in a row. Can't go up, can't go down. It seems that I'm stuck in that rank

As for my Win/KO Ratio: 3301 games, 2246 wins/1055 losses. So, I've got a 2,13 ratio or 68%

 

Well, I was active in the UK scene for a while back in the day, and my brother and I have always played offline for long sessions (until I came to WA), and I can certainly say offline is better... however, I don't think anyone is really disputing that. At least from my perspective, I'd rather have online mode, even with all its flaws and frustrations, and still be able to play with him and play with other people rather than not have the option and be pretty much forced to play the CPU (which would just force me to abandon the game). I know that, for those who can travel, it seems like it's just a lack of dedication not to make the trip to a local meeting, but for those who are married, have kids, and/or full-time jobs, it can be quite hard to find and justify spending both the time and money to go to a gathering, so it's a nice (albeit lower quality) alternative simply to be able to log on and play some online matches for an hour or so and then go to bed or do whatever you need to do. Doesn't cost anything, and takes a lot less time.

I always took for granted how useful it was to live with someone who played the game all the time and was really good at it - it just never occurred to me how much different it is for the people out in the places where there's no competition or it takes time and money to travel to play the nearest people.